With your height you obviously need to be fit properly. How much of static bounce is positive at impact?..we have to start from a static bounce of MORE than the difference to have any, and 31* minus 20.2* = 10.8 static bounce is needed to get ZERO. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth it, especially if you already take a divot. Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. I truly wish customers would do their do diligence before getting fit. Sounds like it's a long iron. With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. Great article! TaylorMade M2 (2016) 9.5* (2* lower) HZRDUS T1100 75g 6.5 Your previous content has been restored. I've had plenty of clubs bent a degree or two and never had an issue with how the clubs performed, even a wedge. Good info to pass along regarding COG. Justin Rose posts mysterious custom JR irons on Instagram. Newer irons, however, are designed with a loft angle that is between 18 and 22 degrees. Clear editor. Lets assume that the launch angle with a modern-lofted set of irons is ideal. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. High bounce irons absorb a change like this more easily. First, is it safe to have P790s bent that much? Any knowledge on the subject would be appreciated. I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. Your link has been automatically embedded. Like most things in life, the real answer is it all depends, golf is probably the only sport where they use generalization to describe something that is quite complicated. I don't have any problems with the slight increase in offset and the lower bounce but if needed you could get someone to grind the leading edge a bit to put some bounce back. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. Step 3. If you're after a driving iron, I would expect you to use it off the tee for the most part. The trajectory, depending on your swing, should be flatter. Definitely worth getting L/L check done and adjusted where necessary. If so why mess with perfection. If your Ball Speed was higher than that, say up to 125, which is a few MPH slower than PGA Tour average, you would want spin to stay within 200-300 RPMs higher, and Launch Angle to come down to about 14*. So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. Stronger iron lofts don't always create more distance - GolfWRX Thats why I recommend that golfers get fit for irons on golf radar by a certified fitter who understands how loft and COG work together in iron design. After a quick gapping review we bent 2 clubs and tried those out which gave a good base to work from. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? Worked very well IMO in terms of reducing spin You will need to check your distances with these gapped lofts. Watch this great video here if you are curious on how to bend the lie angle of a club using a loft/lie machine: Impact tape is a tape that a club fitter places on the face of the golf club that creates marks of where the golfer struck the ball on the clubface. Iron lofts can be bent up to 2 degrees stronger than standard (note: making the loft stronger will increase the offset and reduce the bounce . It was suggested that I would bring my launch and spin down a bit with making my irons 1-2 stronger. When looking for clubs that fit your game, a professional club fitter will look at these factors down below to determine what their lie angle should be: I know this concept can be confusing, especially if you have never been fit for golf clubs before. Some people prefer a higher or lower, high- or low-spin ball flight for strategic purposes. with more loft than its designed for, so he cant go wrong by bending heads stronger. What if I get those numbers with a 7-iron, or a 5-iron? Endycotts weakness so far seems to be the driver, and with his stats suggesting he recovers well top-15 for approaches in recorded events this non-penal track should suit. Sounds like it's a long iron. I always found it a bit strange that I could be 20-40 yards ahead of some friends yet hit the same distance with mid to short irons. With added ball speed comes more launch. Perhaps the lighter weight is good, but how many people fit into these longer lengths? Lots of good comments here. The bounce on irons is pretty much a non starter in my opinion. I think that makes a difference. What are you trying to achieve? The fact remains that only stronger, faster swings can support lower lofts. Adjusting 2 degrees strong will kill the bounce of your irons. One good example comes to mind. Golfers can talk about shafts until they are blue in the face, and different shafts will make a difference in control, feel and sometimes launch and spin. Driver- Tmag 2017 M2 tour issue 8.5* actual loft 7.8* w/ HZRDS Green PVD 70TX" I was a little worried I might notice the offset or have trouble with hitting them fat, but they look perfect and play like they should. Secondly, it also takes absolutely no athletic ability to learn how to set up in the proper posture to make a sound golf swing possible. It will also increase the offset of the club, not a huge amount, but at two degrees, it is noticeable to me. DO NOT SEND PMs WITH CLUB TECH QUESTIONS - USE THE PUBLIC FORUM. Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. United States. I suspect Ill be waiting a very long time, Amen, finally some one with great insight. Thank you for such an eye opening article. Adjusting irons loft for distance - MyGolfSpy Forum There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By Below, you'll see the results. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? Location. ProV1x-mostly. Ping Glide wedges w/Recoil 110 So I changed my swing to compress the ball better instead, and just took extra club and swing easy. St Louis, MO. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. Bettinardi Studio Stock SS28, Didn't think of that. So going 2 strong will remove 2 degrees of bounce. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. Hybrid: Cobra King Tec 2h, MMT 80 S -or- TEE CBX 17*, HZRDUS 85 6.0, 2 iron: Mizuno MP-20 HMB, Steelfiber i95 S, 39.5", Irons grab bag: 1-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 1-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R; 3-AW Pinhawk Vertex irons, Apollo std stepped S If you are a true sweeper that may be ok but you may not see that big distance gain you are hoping for. They wont question a fitter who recommends that they switch to a 10.5-degree driver instead of an 8.5 or 9.5, because those are established as acceptable driver lofts. having a discussion with a friend and we are in disagreement. I would never ever think of doing this on my own. Your email address will not be published. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. on tight fairways. By adding loft, those golfers achieve more ideal launch conditions, which means they carry shots farther and stop the ball faster on the green. Or if youre playing in firm conditions, you might want more spin and a higher launch. would 2 degrees be too much and change the club's characteristics too much? I am in favor of weaker lofts. And its one of only two elements of the golf swing that require absolutely no physical skills. Typical launch angle would improve from 13-14* to 17-18*. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong - Club Fitting - Team Titleist But bending an iron weak is not as well understood by many golfers, so they are more hesitant. By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. How Long Do They Last, Driving Iron Advantages and Disadvantages, You are using clubs that are too tall for you (easy fix is to change the shaft length), You stand far away from the golf ball when making a swing. examples, keep you head down, hit down on the ball, you gotta swing inside out. probably best to just change the shaft length), You stand tall over the golf ball when swinging, Your golf ball starts towards the right of your target (left for lefties), You hit the golf ball off the toe of the cub more often causing the clubface to open up and create push or slice. Assuming you are not altering the trajectory due to the conditions. Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 Military. Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. if we move from a "high launch" to a Low launch shaft, who reduce loft by 2* we also lost 2* bounce. I have plenty of X-flex swing speed and don't need the high launch (that just kills me in headwinds), but like the forgiveness on mishits. Maybe its conceptually challenging but when all sets came 3-PW with heads the size of your pinky-toe, golfers either left their 3 iron home or just used it for low punch shots back to the fairway; back then, a well-hit 6 iron would outdistance an over-muscled 3 iron seven times out of 10. All rights reserved. It just depends. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. See below the make percentage for an average golfer from varying distances. Free shipping for many products! Will it affect offset? The sole on that thing is tiny compared to any driving iron and I still had no trouble hitting it off the deck. TaylorMade Aero Burner TP 15 / Matrix White Tie 70-X ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Powered by Invision Community. Novak has made five cuts from seven starts since qualifying, with the most significant results being 17th in Bermuda (another wind-affected coastal course) 12th at the much higher-grade Sony Open and 29th at last weeks Honda Classic. TaylorMade Rsi TP 3-PW (1.5* strong) NS-Pro MOdus 3 tour130 X It is a taylormade udi 2i that I want to bend from 18* to 16*. 2 degrees upright - Club Fitting - Team Titleist It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). You may have heard golfers talk about how they need to use a flatter club or that they need to change their lie angle. I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. More photos from the event here. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. I realize it is hard to write to such a diverse audience, but Im going to give it my best with this post, and pose the basic two questions to each of you : If the answer to No. Im 62 and most GI clubs are too long even for me in their stock iteration with this progressive shaft lengths concept. So what makes 15-16 and 6000 RPM ideal? Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. Sure, the top few are valid members of the PGA Tour, all with their legitimate claims in this lowly class, but we then have the likes of Chad Campbell (unranked after not being seen for almost three years) and Frank Lickliter (now outside the world top 3000) bringing up a rear lacks depth. This is a dumb question but were you fit for them? You can post now and register later. Restore formatting, people hit it further because of stronger lofts is such a wifes tale. Not sure about the AP2s. The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. Hi everyone, sorry for the slow reply! My irons are bent weak partly to get the right launch conditions but also to reduce my draw. I do know a typical modern club the PW has the loft of like an older blade 8 iron. You may want to try searching if you need more info. When my first 'proper' set of clubs (MP30s) were done - at the same time as a Driver Shaft fitting - a couple were out considerably (the 6 iron had the loft of a 5!)! Good luck! Your previous content has been restored. That said, people will usually launch clubs higher with a longer shaft length as well, (mechanical advantage/physics) so again, it kind of goes hand in hand with the stronger lofts. I guess Ill need to have my next irons bent weaker leaving some marks on the blade and hosel. It is amazing how much higher/lower similar irons can perform, in terms of player level. However, recent form has shown the real Grant, with back-to-back class efforts at Torrey Pines and Pebble Beach, where at the former he led an elite field after a first-round 64. That would depend on what GI head design you have and to be quite honest the only way to be sure would be to test these irons on a golf radar. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. Adams A12 19 - Fuji HB 80X, PXG 0311X 4 - HZRDUS Red 105 X Ping G410 Plus Oban Kiyoshi Tour Limited Bottom line: bending 2* strong may or may not cause issues. Ordering & Information Lynx Black Cat irons were set this way, so I had to have the 5 iron bent 2*, the 6 iron 1.5, the 7 iron 1.0 and the 8 iron .5 (this was my experimental set). That means someone who has a ballflight thats too low, he delivers the head with less loft than needed, and by that less than the design of the head is meant to be played with, so he cant go wrong by tweaking lofts weaker. Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, Tour Blue 85 X, 44" -or- Cobra Fly-Z+, Phenom NL 60 X, 44.5", 3w:King LTD, Aldila RIP Beta 90 X -or- TM Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X It is a lot easier to find what lie angle you need in your golf clubs and purchase a set rather than have to individually bend each club. 2023 Acushnet Company. If you can get it in the air, no problem. My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. Reset Password TM TPx. It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). Todays golf ball travels farther than ever before and I dont see any need to jack up the short iron lofts. The basic fundamentals of striking a golf ball have not changed nearly as much as golf club technology, and those fundamentals have their roots dating back a hundred years to Bobby Jones and his peers or even further. Editors note: This article is in collaboration with Shot Scope. But, as lofts are strengthened the gaps become compressed on the long end and widened on the short. If the added ball speed of modern irons is not enough to achieve an ideal landing angle, I have to add loft. I've bent tons of clubs. I realize this can be affected by angle of attack, swing speed, iron/shaft design, and ball design. The decision wasn't about distance it was about gapping. With the high bounce level of the stock G30's, losing some of that bounce by bending it strong is no sweat, but plenty of clubs have so little bounce that bending them strong leaves virtually nothing left in the bounce department, but bounce really only helps if you strike the ball a little on the fat side. IG: golfer_scott I completely agree with this! We have seen significant distance improvements with all 3 of these irons, it just needs to match up with how you launch the ball. On the short end, as the pitching wedge loft gets stronger you end up with wider gaps in the scoring clubs. Pasted as rich text. Feel free to browse around and see if anything catches your eye! Still have questions? Thanks everybody for the help! some strong lofts there, i thought you had blade type irons so, which have weaker lofts? Good point. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! Here are common ball flight issues if you are playing the wrong lie angle: Unfortunately, club manufacturing companies sometimes use different lie angles for their clubs. Paste as plain text instead, We'll walk you through the process and offer some simple tips and trick. And the opposite is true as the speed drops. At a club fitting it was pointed out that I had about a 0 aoa and was launching a bit higher than ideal. most amateurs like to hit the long ball not the low score. The bounce on the 3-iron is already 0 degrees, so will bending the club for a stronger loft make the bounce go negative? Pasted as rich text. In the last six years, Tony Finau and Viktor Hovland both broke their maiden here, whilst after a period of personal tragedy, multiple winner, Branden Grace, bounced back to form. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. OP, which is it you are asking about.. making a club 2* stronger or increasing loft? Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. I use Ping I Blades and Ping have a 'power spec' on their website for these where the lofts can be bent to and still retain playabilty. Most people won't hit a 2 iron off the fairway though, so they probably won't take a divot at all As far as bounce goes, do you really think a club going 100 mph is going to be affected by 2 less of bounce? This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. After this long introduction, Nick keep preaching this gospel. How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. 716 MB'S. This is a statistic that is fairly consistent across all abilities of amateur golfers with only a five percent difference across all golfers. I bent them 4 degrees strong to keep my flight down as I hit moon balls with my X700 shafts hardstepped X3 ", Ping G400 Testing G410. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field. But the end result for an iron fitting is the same: I want the customer to leave with a set of irons that produce the best possible launch conditions for them. Potentially, this would mean the toe digs in and your shots go right (right handed). More is not always better, but I would expect nothing less from a fitter at Carls Golfland. **. Callaway MD 3 48 bent to 50 KBS 610 S+ Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. Bending TM P790 irons up to 2 degrees weaker. Is it safe? Good idea? TaylorMade M1 15* Tensei CK Pro White 80X or More photos from the event here. Even if you want to say a weakened 4 iron is longer in length than a 5 iron of the same loft and therefore goes farther, your gaps in your set will still be equally proportionate. Im contemplating a set of Mizuno MP-53 irons. Reduce the loft & you reduce the bounce which, on the longer clubs, is quite small anyway. Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. Hope this Helps! Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. 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