Fakes never get it right. The copper ferrule has three stamps . Grain does not determine age. Bone tanto and swords (see below) fall into this group. A real shooter with aim. The blades in these items are all "soft steel" and have etched temperlines NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. Collectible Japanese Katanas, Japanese WWII Swords, Japanese Straight Razor, Japanese Tea Cup; Additional site navigation. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. What a bunch of junk. lonely panet. He didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! See each listing for international shipping options and costs. Cheers to Dan for bringing it to my attention. Real swords only had flat-head screws. Slowly improving. Clear editor. When ANY doubt exists as to the authenticity or This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. Display as a link instead, the tsuka casting made me look 3 times, but just look at the stamps on the nakago, Ok, a little later I will add a photo of the unpainted serial numbers. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. Sorry Its not even a good fake. One, they aren't in the correct range. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. Do not undertake to dis-assemble a sword unless you know what you are Buy It Now. Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. Contact one of them for assistance. About eBay; Upload or insert images from URL. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. T95 NCO swords had copper hilts, or later, aluminum ones, never brass. Blade is 26 1/4 inches long, with an overall length of 36 1/4inches. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. Identification Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. DO NOT UNWRAP THE HANDLE! Seppa intergrated in the fuchi is a no go here. Obviously I can't be sure, but that's my guess anyway. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Pre-Owned. IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. I offered to send photos or provide opinions from experienced collector's. Greetings. I'll continue to post where I find different examples. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Short fuller. Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. I din't know why the NCO swords are asked so strong. All NCO swords were numbered. I very much doubt that it would matter, but even someone with a repro would be able to use that information to create a fake. a "real" sword and certainly not an antique. . Hi all,while I'm sure our members know how to pick a fake NCO, I wanted to share these.http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2The really disappointing part is that I informed the site owner about the first sword and provided a comprehensive list of indicators the sword is not genuine. Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). NEVER CLEAN THE TANG OF A JAPANESE SWORD OR TAMPER WITH IT IN ANY WAY!!! NCOs will progress into the minefield of German militaria in the next couple of decades. Machine made blade is good condition. In Germany you got now only fake Gunto. Please see our. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). Your previous content has been restored. They are getting better with the Kokura cannonballs, but this one - the lines are to thin, the balls too big. Sorry for the bad news. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. 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The reverse is also not true - if a sword is not signed does not mean it is machine made. and scabbards were frequently separated and ended up being "married" General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. I figured it might be useful to others. Second the Font isn't even close. NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. It's 40 inches overall, with a 33.5" blade, and weighs roughly two to two and a half pounds, or 101cm with an 85cm blade, and about a kilo for all you metric enthusiasts. 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Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. The overall swords are getting better. I was so stupid to have some and sold it - for better swords. I liked the look of the Type 32 but all I've found was deepeeka. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. There are strategies in place with most countries Customs and Border protection to seize and destroy fake watches, handbags, CD's DVD's etc, but swords are not even on the RADAR. Most WW II era blades are not sharpened all the down to the habaki (collar). You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. But it would really help to see that. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. The members here in the board who collect these swords are taking a very good investment for the future. This sword is actually pictured on page 191 of Dawson . Required fields are marked *. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. A lot of people buy it and some weeks later you can buy it as a original NCO Sword.. I probably say this way too much BUT to flog a dead horse, the NCOs have a ton of small variations between subcontractors and between batches themselves, so just something to keep in mind. Paste as plain text instead, The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo Consult someone who is trained in tsuka-maki if you need to have a handle re-built. Sometimes they get irate. The sword sheathes and draws very well, and the I have been searching for years for a good reproduction of a Japanese Shin-gunto NCO sword. It is terrible. I can't get over the prices on these nowadays.. crazy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Japanese-NCO-OFFICERS-SWORD-WITH-MATCHING-NUMBERS/253234351978?hash=item3af5f18f6a:g:wxsAAOSwAHtZ94Dm. Also, they definitely like those brass tsukas, don't they! A new sword was pointed out to me recently which is very well made and in fact at first glance addresses a lot of the issues with obvious fakes. The one thing that always sets off alarms on these is the tsuka almost looks blurred or sandblasted, the real NCO's are usually crisp and bold and well defined. Your previous content has been restored. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. Truly disappointing. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. The type and color of the rust is used to help date and to authenticate the blade. The prices go higher and higher and they will copy better and better to take part on this. Typically it is for food and baby goods and it is actually a livelihood. This is a blatant fake, which you should keep well away from. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. The biggest giveaway are the stamps. These items are purchased for the quality of the carving only. Would need in hand to see many more. I recently took the plunge and made my first Japanese sword purchase. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). You can post now and register later. Have always thought the comments about not tipping off the forgers are just plain silly.I still do.The image of some rough factory in China where they are turning these outand some guy on a computer somewhere shouting out in Chinese into the factory "Hey guys! The serial number should be near the bottom of the . But as I have been at this for a while, I'm seeing how much better the reproductions are getting, and I realize that every bit of help they can get by reading posts like this, helps them make their fakes even better. blade - most likely a WW II NCO sword. An etched temper line will be seen as a smooth cloud lacking any internal features. Even so, enough to fool a novice. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. The 67 cm (not including the habaki) blade is in near mint condition. The process of tsuka-maki (handle wrapping) is quite complicated. WW II Blade length approximately 27 1/2 inches . The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. Matching serial numbers 31123. The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. Close up and of kissaki and bohi termination is a must. another example where they got the product near correct but numbered it wrong. Vice versa, antique blades are occassionally found As above100% fakejust look at the fit on the saya throatBut yes they are getting betterBought a sword at a recent big militaria fair,actually two swordsleft them with the sellers instead of carrying them around when I came to pick them up was approached by a very polite Chinese fella who offered to buy them at a premium off meHe didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! . This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. Sometimes they just forget this part. Today I checked, just in case the sword was pulled from sale, and lo and behold there is a 'rare copper handle' now listed, clearly of the same manufacturer. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. 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This sword has a cast aluminium tsuka (hilt) with an approximately 10mm thick ornate aoi-shaped brass tsuba (guard). at the best online prices at eBay! There are so many. Even the once "lowly" type 95 NCO sword has started to command high prices. Unfortunately have to agree with Brian, as prices move upwards, the copies will inevitably get better. Serial number placement. . Usually the copies are considerably lower, making it very obvious. It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. Carved bone and carved ivory sword mountings almost always have untempered, soft steel blades. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. - it will reduce its value by at least 50 percent!! once told the facts they simply. If there is a tang stamp (see the military sword page for examples) on the nakago, up close to the blade collar (habaki), it is a WW II era sword - these are arsenal stamps. Around $1.000. Etchings. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. The real tsukas have crisp detail, and the fakes always seem not-crisp. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people. Look at the bohi at the kissaki and the arsenal marks are terrible! "Ninja swords" are a Hollywood fiction. This claims to be made by Suya Shoten, but their standards and quality control were much higher than this. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. I searched into the rest of the Japanese items on the site. Make the gap between the arsenal marks less! The aluminium hilt / tsuka has good amounts of its collectors often have a higher knowledge base then dealers, and a higher respect for items and there history. (too original copper coloured paint and is in very good shape. However, just because the blade is steel does not mean it is a genuine Japanese sword as many modern replicas are made with steel blades. You may severely injure yourself and/or damage the sword. $159.50. There are genuine collectors throughout China too. No habaki. I admit that I've had to look at it a couple of times. I sent the seller a message. is signed, that it must be hand made. system works well. good condition, a few small patina streaks, nothing much, and firm Sword steel of the army standard , Blade length: 83.6, Curvature: 1.35, machine made, tempering in oils, with a fuller and no Hamon, Overall length: 100.2, Made in the Tky Artillery Arsenal Type 32 Gunt is a government supply noncommissioned officer sword enacted in 1889 (August 23, Meiji 32). It has the correct arsenal markings on the hilt collar (fuchi) and blade, and the spacers (seppa) are cast and rounded, while the replicas are crudely cut. The fuchi collar at the base of the grip bears three stamped marks, these being the marks of the Iijima Copany, the group that manufactured the blade within the Tokyo Arsenal; the inspection stamp of the Imperial Army unit within the Tokyo arsenal that inspected the sword; and the Tokyo Arsenal identification stamp. Swords of this type were made in all sizes, from tanto to katana or tachi. There are numerous varieties of items made in the 20th Century as If the tsuka can be dismanteld from sword with out removing the sarute and barrel, its a fake! That is not true. This example has a matching serial number 93225 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. Most sword canes were produced in the late 19th Century - early 20th Century. See how many more you can pick! Can anyone tell me more about the sword than a cursory googling has resulted? Further That is an important part of identifying the authenticity of an NCO. Please consider starting a new thread rather than reviving this one, unless your post is really relevant and adds to the topic.. I am not sure why the serial numbers are covered? Though i think its great that the militaria collectors can help each other look out for the fakes! No habaki. It now takes an expert to tell the difference between a Chinese $25 copy ROLEX and the real deal, right down to the automatic movement. Identifying the Best Training, Tools, and Tactics for the Armed Civilian! Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. If the peg (mekugi) or screw holding the handle (tsuka) onto the blade can be removed and the handle safely removed (use care not to damage the handle or blade - the complete handle should slide off the end of the tang), examination of the tang (nakago) can tell much about the age of the blade. Learn how your comment data is processed. Does the blade show a true temper line (hamon)? The serial number should be near the bottom of the blade, just above the habaki. Something changed in the last 6 months. . Many people tend to believe that if a sword The blade is quite bright and, while there are some scratches and spots, there are no cracks, chips, or rust. Sometimes they just forget this part. Yeah I guess Japanese military swords don't get much attention from the well known names. iaito (iai practice sword)? Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. Essentially, the blade has the Nagoya factory stamp next to the serial number however the Fuchi appears to only have one stamping . View cart for details. So many repros use Phillips or combination screws, especially on the saya. Let's sum up. & valuations. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officer's sword. Sincerely, Eugene Quote vajo Gold Tier 5.8k Location:Germany / Bavaria Name: Chris Sch. There are numerous The grip still retains much of its brown paint, being approximately 70% intact, and the golden yellow paint on the cherry blossom menuki is approximately 50% intact. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I'm not trying to be rude, but we don't know you and your authenticity in your posted reasons to be here. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The machine-made blade is 26 inches long. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. in WW II military mounts. Overall the fit and finish is definitely far above a replica, which can be seen in the photos. The sad part is someone probably will buy one of them too. People can scoff at paranoia as much as you like but the simple fact is they are getting better, whether through study of originals or reading well intentioned post. Complete with metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army well it would have fooled me, how about you other gunto guys? However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. The Mechanix of Auto, Aviation, Militarypert near anything I feel relates to mechanical things, places, events or whatever I happen to like. That's why I addressed here. This would fool most entry level guys. Modern replicas may look like antique swords; be it a tachi, katana, wakizashi or tanto. 100 % newly made. The brown paint on the hilt has mostly worn away, as it did not really stick well to the aluminum. Free shipping for many products! Lets hope the guys that make the fakes arent reading all this and learning what to improve. Etchings. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. antique or of recent vintage. It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords and scabbards were frequently . Swords with carved bone handles and scabbards are The Phillips screw was only patented in 1932, and hadn't caught on in most of the world by WWII. The above items are only a general guide. There are also numerous reproduction and fake Japanese swords on I think it's always worth spending the extra time to study these "high end fakes/copies" because they are getting better. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 Type 30 Arisaka Japanese Bayonet Scabbard Straight Quillon Imperial Army No. General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords I do share Greys sentiment though. I need attribution not for sale, but for museum exhibit. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. Murasame Katana L6 Steel Hand Forged Steel. Scabbard in very nice condition. doing. I'm reposting the pictures of the fake pattern 5 that Stegel provided in the wooden handled topic just to have them all together. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. Opens in a new window or tab. Your link has been automatically embedded. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). signed or not has little to do with determining if it is handmade or the age of the blade. It is something I very much dread, having to carefully vet every sword I see, but that's what happens when something increases in value at a steady rate each and every year. Save japanese type 95 sword to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. Hi I'm a newly signed up member of the site. I really would have liked better pictures of the fuchi in light and the serial numbers, but I am very confident this is a well made reproduction. After that I heard nothing. They sell it for 165 EUR everywhere. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. These are simply paper spacers to aid in positioning the wrapping properly on the handle. There is not much more complicated (and valuable) as ROLEX watches. more then I would pay but I'm grinch, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WW2-Japanese-Type-95-NCO-Sword/222687760837?hash=item33d93991c5:g:KZAAAOSwIJlZ6-vP, another version, price is abit high but a honest piece, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-WW2-Japanese-Shin-Gunto-NCO-Samurai-Sword-extremely-rare-variation-3/332424959489?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48795%26meid%3D4f20fff958304da4af55f1ba88fb7e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222687760837&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851. / scabbard has quite a bit of its original war time browning and Cut-out version brass tsuba. No single indicator alone will determine whether a sword blade is an Anyway, if ok, can I post some pictures to get your expert opinion on my purchase? I avoided buying into German WW2 helmets because of the fakes out there and now I've entered into another minefield. The overall length is approximately 38 inches in the scabbard. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. Something went wrong. There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. Some of these bone swords will have very low grade metal mountings, commonly with the Tokugawa mon incised into or embossed on the mountings. Rare 1st Type with matching numbers "4428" on blade and scabbard. You might also visit the Ohmura site and study the pictures there. Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. This thread is quite old. Tokyo First Arsenal blade numbers. Everything to know Japanese 95 nco swordPlease visit our Ebay store and subscribe to our channel https://www.ebay.com/str/thediamondmonkey42You will find in . Some older (Shinshinto) I don't want to help them any more than necessary. Benefits CHARITY. On newer swords the file marks on the tang will be sharp and crisp. The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. Based on my research the sword meets all the criteria of an authentic WWII Shin-Gunto Type 95 with one exception which is confusing me. The serial number, 31278, and arsenal stamp are marked above the bohi (fuller). All Rights Reserved. Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. This page was last updated: 04-Mar 05:55. This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. C $1,999.99 . Neil. This is due to the method Newer swords will have a grey, metallic tang perhaps with a little red rust. Dan. If there are serial numbers stamped in the blade, it is a machine made This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade.
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