How come they can't just say "we've done more research, we think we were mistaken. beliefs. He merely uses the ?servant? They will make more and more grave statements about the end being near, but these won't do the trick either because they will contain nothing specific. Some Dubs believed the year 2000 would not arrive before Armageddon. (Genesis 6:3) The issuance of this divine decree in 2490 B.C.E. Rather, it appears that they are both describing the condition, attitude, and behavior of the people prior to an event, with the event being the subject of the sentences. Anointed who 'saw the events of 1914' born Dec 31, 1914 11:59pm dies Dec 31, 2034 at 11:59 pm.. At that very moment the 'generation' that will see Armageddon is born Dec 31, 2034 at 11:59 and lives another 120 years thusly it is 'logical evidence' that Armageddon shall commence in 2154. Would you like to read this article in %%? Russell's chief claim was that Jesus Christ , the perfect man, had returned invisibly to earth in 1874 and would establish God's visible kingdom after the Battle of Armageddon in 1914. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. We will (1)share in the ministry as long as that is possible, (2)maintain our program of study, and (3)continue to trust in Gods protection. . As she grew up as a third-generation Jehovah's Witness, there were certain things . The organization is asking Ramapo . 1975 came and went and the governing body had to deal with the fallout for the coming 5 years until things started to pick up again. 1-5). Included therein were Noah's building of the ark and his preaching work, right up until the time that the Flood finally arrived. And the mountains were not found. 37:36) Whatever means God uses, his victory will be complete. - Genesis 6:17", Page 15, Paragraph 7 "Noah received the warning of the upcoming catastrophe decades in advance and he wisely used the time to prepare for survival.' Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. I do not agree with those who overinterpreted that Watchtower as meaning a bit more than perhaps it did. 2034,that would make my husband 84yrs old.But i thought it was any day now.Same crap,keep the flock in line with death threats no matter how long it takes. jw Despite our trials, how can we remain faithful as Armageddon draws near? *** Watchtower 1983 February 15 p.12 You Can Live Forever in on Earth-But How? Time will tell. Notice that Jesus did not liken his presence to the relatively short period of time during which the Flood occurred in Noah's day. The torrent of Kishon washed them away.Judg. friends. Then, at Armageddon, he will destroy the rest of Satans world, including its political, military, and commercial systems. 13. And should we forget; liars. We can benefit from this consideration. This way they can simply say that we "read to much" into the explanation given. How should we respond to warnings we have been given? 2:26, 27; 7:9,10) Yes, what a privilege the great crowd will have had to support Jehovahs anointed servants while these were still on earth! 8 Footnote: Why not? 'He that does the will of God remains forever,' states the Bible. The "Jehovah's Witness" view of the "battle of Armageddon" is but one example of the ineptness of this group to analyze biblical prophecy. In fact, they are known throughout the world as Jehovah's Witnesses. In what ways will Christ be completely victorious? How about, we live productive, simple lives with good christian character, while being fully aware that this system is temporary and being willing and ready to do what we need to do when the time comes?? 8 That will be the foretold proclamation of peace and security. Why will world leaders say that? Just google Armageddon 2034. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do. 6 How will God defeat his enemies at Armageddon? (2Chron. She suggested it would come in 1999. So, they've cut expenses to the bone (with more cuts on the way I would imagine). Fred Franz was allowed to write his prediction about 1975 in the "Life Everlasting" book. 46:10) Hence, Jehovah's purposes, and time, for establishing a righteous new order are firmly fixed.Awake! Final Prophecy Cycle Timeline Images; . | Megiddo and the nearby Jezreel Valley were the sites of many battles. So Jehovahs servants will not receive part of her plagues. Still, their faith will be tested. So I'd like to answer some of the a accusations that questions about Jehovah's witnesses always seems to bring. The evidence is clear that Jehovah has used and is continuing to use his one organization, with "the faithful and discreet slave" taking the lead. 16:16. Only when new appointments are made to the governing body of people who have a reasonable chance of making it to 2034 will this idea get off the ground. Jehovah's Witness, member of a millennialist denomination that developed within the larger 19th-century Adventist movement in the United States and has since spread worldwide. Why, for instance, were there actually more pioneers (% wise) in the late 1980s than leading up to 1975? Jehovah's Witnesses with 1.3 million members in the U.S. who hand out brochures on sidewalks and subway platforms and ring doorbells are one of the most visible religious groups in the . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBYGp5gD-oo&feature=related. Zoning, tax questions. It fit together so nicely. 32 Replies (Rev. Five years later, Poul and his wife stopped associating with the Witnesses, which in 1964 resulted in his being interrogated by their Elders and then ostracised from the . (Ezek. The Bible says 'their days are seventy or eighty', so Witnesses figured that the end must come around 1994 at the latest. ", *** Watchtower 1964 June 15 pp.365-6 Jehovah, the God of Progressive Revelation ***, 22 As Jehovah revealed his truths by means of the first-century Christian congregation so he does today by means of the present-day Christian congregation. Fred Franz managed to publish more definite statements about 1975 than the other members would have liked. The Bible helps us to foresee some coming developments. -2 Thess. Murderers! Religion is the most profitable legal business because religions can misquote, misrepresent, and use unethical practices without fear of punishment. Never did they say, 'These are the words of Jehovah.' Choose your side, Slimboyfat, choose your side. 9:26) (Aid to Bible Understanding, Brooklyn, NY: Watchtower Society, 1971, p. 642). Thanks, Blondie! Lots of threats - pandemic, China, Russia, terrorism and no real integrity in leadership are unnerving, however the JW's have a clear and tangible history of falsely prophesying Armageddon, actually 6 or 7 separate and distinct episodes in their brief ~140 year history - yes "God's Organization" is less than 200 yrs old as while Jesus walked . 70 Replies 4:18)"February 15, 1981, page 19. You must not get frightened at him.'. The Watchtower, December 15, 2003, Pages 14 - 19, Please be patient while the web page loads page scans of the Watchtower article. From what I've read in the forum, the doctrine change has been a fairly stealthy one and hasn't fully registered in the consciousness of the rank and file (especially with the WTS still shouting the "end is near! Or those determined to fight a "war on terror". 17:11) But Armageddon does not refer to any literal place on earth. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/65453/1/Comments-You-Will-Not-Hear-at-the-1-25-04-WT-Study. Poul Bregninge's parents became Jehovah's Witnesses when he was 2 years old. Publication download options Aussi ses jours se monteront-ils cent vint ans." latest alan mcgee gemma interview . (b)According to Ezekiel 38:2, 8, 9, what will bring Gog to the symbolic place called Armageddon? Like that ancient era, Christs presence would be a period of time during which people would be too caught up in the day-to-day affairs of life to take a note of a warning being given. A plane carrying five Jehovah's Witness ministers crashed Saturday, killing all aboard, officials said. cecinissem casuri agitandarum radiaretis inhibere domuum in Hebrew Gematria equals 2191: c 3 e 5 c 3 i 9 n 40 i 9 s 90 s 90 e 5 m 30 0 c 3 a 1 s 90 u 200 r 80 i 9 0 a 1 g 7 i 9 t 100 a 1 n 40 d 4 a 1 r 80 u 200 m 30 0 r 80 a 1 d 4 i 9 a 1 r 80 e 5 t 100 i 9 s 90 0 i 9 n 40 h 8 i 9 b 2 e 5 in Hebrew Gematria equals 2191: c 3 e 5 c 3 i 9 n 40 i 9 s 90 s 90 e 5 m 30 0 c 3 . class to publish the interpretation after the Supreme Court by Christ Jesus reveals it. 2 The Bible shows that the war of Armageddon will save mankind by ending human rule. 18:4) They have also worked hard to help others flee from her. Before the war of Armageddon begins, all of the 144,000 will have been raised to heaven as immortal spirits. The cover of that particular issue dramatically asked: "Are we . Wow long topic title. (Rev. 32:8) We will trust in Jehovah our Goda stand that will seem foolish to the nations. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . They contend: It is the generation of people who saw the catastrophic events that broke forth in connection with World War I from 1914 onward (Watchtower, op. The OT junk about God bringing mass slaughter was just to make the Israelites feel good about themselves and their volcano god. expand all. The Jehovah's Witnesses website provides details on the 1.7 million-square-foot project, known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. As we have seen in recent years, subtlety isn't working; they've gone bat-crap crazy in their bluntness. You will be interested to learn that God has on earth a people, all of whom are prophets , or witnesses for God. (Josh. Matthew 24:21 NWT. At Gods appointed time, those political powers will turn on symbolic Babylon. The first was the initial portion of Matthew 24, while the latter was an excerpt from Pauls second epistle to Timothy. The contextual wording has it emphasis not in the length (period) of time people where involved in this behavior, but in that this behavior caused them to miss the sudden event. Photo by But what will happen then? My concern is that placing the emphasis of the discussion on the days of Noah might give some the false impression that the Bibles reference to the days of Noah would be similar, if not identical, to the History of Noah (Genesis 6:9) Because, immediately prior to the reference to the History of Noah we have the statement in Genesis 6:3: After that Jehovah said: My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. He plainly declared: this generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished (v. 34). Still keep the whole end time thing like others have but make it much more nonspecific, keep the no trinity, no hell, maybe no holidays. (Jas. Why do they have to go from one extreme to another? No more than four-in-ten members of the group belong to any one racial and ethnic background: 36% are white, 32% are Hispanic, 27% are black and 6% are another race or mixed race. That is the interesting part. 6. 20 Think how thrilled you will be when Babylon the Great is gone and when Armageddon is over! Then there was that Watchtower a while back that many apostates interpreted as pointing to 2034 implicitly. A financial crisis (hundreds of millions in just U.S., Can, and U.K. alone) could precipitate this shrinkage in an organization already pressed for funds. 32 Replies 37:2337-Minute Listen. (see earlier thread) That is not so easy to call. Then I read an interesting thing about the Adventists. Yep just as they said Moses screwed up too, only they failed to point out that he was condemed to not see the Promised Land. The organization expanded worldwide under these men's leadership, from about 113,000 in 1942 to more than 6 million in 2000. [Christ] outlined things that would befall the Jewish nation during the execution of Jehovahs judgment upon Jerusalem at the hands of the Roman general Titus (Dan. 10 The judgment on the great prostitute. (Read Revelation 17:1,6; 18:24.) The prospect of dying at Armageddon is a terrible thing for a Jehovahs Witness because they are taught that . 5. Jehovah's Witnesses - for indeed, it is they - are stepping up their presence in city centres across the UK in an effort to attract converts to a church that claims more than 8 million . Will religious leaders participate? "My own counsel will stand, and everything that is my delight I shall do," says Jehovah. The core notion embraced by Jehovah's Witnesses is that Armageddon is imminent, and that the only way to be saved from a terrible end-times death is to abide by their tenets, which are dispensed . They knew that they had made a mistake about 1975, but at the same time they knew that the generation was fast running out in any case and that the end must come within a couple of decades at the most. 8 That will be the foretold proclamation of "peace and security." Why will world leaders say that? They're probably waiting for some newsworthy event to take place and they'll call it a "sign". Introduction. Did not Moses make a 40-year miscalculation in trying to act ahead of time to remove Israel's affliction? It was also successful. Yes, they have. I haven't looked at the youtube but YES, it has already been subtly hinted at and implied that the parallel of Noah's day with the "last days" would also include a 120 year period of preaching/warning work (that would be from 1914 to 2034). Institute tithing at some point so they can reasonably budget and make a go of it. Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that He was using and guiding them.'' What does it mean to obey the good news about our Lord Jesus? Figures increased greatly leading up to 1975 and there was great expectation. Had not the society stated it in certain terms (unlike the 1975 date on which they were wishy washy)? Its mission is to reveal documents, files, and publications that are kept secret from the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses, particularly vulnerable persons and women. The 2034 date is thoroughly refuted by the numbers in the Insight book. ):--arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought. By that time I hope my kid is a millionaire helping to support me in my retirement. (Rev. (2Chron. The word Armageddon appears just once in the Scriptures, and it comes from a Hebrew term that means Mountain of Megiddo. (Rev. 16:14) However, in this article, we will also use the term Armageddon to refer to the war that immediately follows the gathering of the kings of the earth. SONG 143 Keep Working, Watching, and Waiting. Armageddon.REV. Jehovah's Witnesses are more convinced than ever before that the end of the world is imminent. It's the absolute best way to scam people I have yet seen. Jehovah's Witnesses are a Christian religious sect rooted in the Adventist movement of the late 1800s and early 1900s. Jehovah's Witness 'ordered to renounce faith and join Russian army' Europe. The fact of the matter is, however, the Watchtower folks concede that Christs application was to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70. 4 Why did Jehovah connect the final great war with Megiddo? Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. (Genesis 15:13; Acts 7:6, 17, 23, 25, 30, 34) Were not Christ's apostles overanxious to see the Kingdom established, not to speak of their complete misunderstanding as to what the Kingdom really is? 20:1-3. We can take the prophetic time, and time-and-a-half, apply it to the preaching work done by Noah to come up with a parallel even realized by the inspection. (C.T. . THE WATCHTOWERSTUDY EDITION September2019, Share They can either come out with the date soon in the hope of short-term gains - or they can keep it under their hat until the mid-2020s. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years. So, can it now be reasoned that there is at least some indication that the presence of Jesus Christ can now be numbered at 120 years based upon the record of the history of Noah (or the days of Noah) in Genesis, making the end now to appear to come in 2034? The Witnesses, however, assign a most strange interpretation to the phrase. Fred was half blind, and so am I from studying texts in Hebrew and Greek and writing java code. The Scriptures we were taught to use as Jehovah's Witnesses when we preached the Watchtower's "good news" concerning the reestablishing of God's Kingdom had more to do with the nation of Israel and God's covenant with the Jewish people rather that the real "good news" of Jesus Christ. -2 Thess. Will religious leaders participate? Jehovah's Witnesses, however, expected that the . But there is one important difference between the two conflicts. Have you meditated on how you will respond? 16:16. The expression this generation (he-genea-aute) is found five times in Matthews Gospel record, and never is it employed in any sense other than that of the generation contemporary with Jesus Christ (cf. It is Gods spirit that bears witness with that persons spirit that anoints them with the heavenly hope. Eventually the governing body will stomach the idea of promoting 2034 as the possible date for the end (120 years from 1914 - 'just as the days of Noah will the days of the son of man be.'). The nations have not yet had the opportunity to have a world government without the interference of religious institutions present.
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